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Alt.NET Podcast: 18: Talking with Jeremy Miller about Alt.Net

  • Mike Moore · 8 months ago
    I really liked Jeremy's point that the Alt.NET approach is really the mainstream in other communities like Java and Ruby and Python.
  • robconery · 8 months ago
    I like that Jeremy admitted his love for Phil Haack - FINALLY!
  • Chad Myers · 8 months ago
    Chad Meyers' Oxite Post is almost as good as Chad Myers' (me) post on it, but not quite :)
  • javery · 8 months ago
    Chad - Fixed! :)
  • Frank Quednau · 8 months ago
    That was pretty interesting.
    I would think that a couple of MS technologies like WPF DO allow e.g. for separation of concerns regarding UI, and although I don't really like XAML I tend to hang around in the XAML editor quite often when doing WPF (after all the Designer explodes with only mildly more complex scenarios than textbox + label).
    After all you're not doing much else than defining and referencing objects.

    From my current knowledge I cannot see how MassTransit and/or NServiceBus compares to WF stuff. Is it really comparable or is the terminology just so different that the fact that the technologies tackle similar business problems is well hidden?
  • Jay Smith · 8 months ago
    I completely agree with Jeremy here. I like the foundations of the Alt .Net mindset, focus on our software engineering skills not just slapping things together. But have avoided the ALT .NET title since it has been perceived as negative. It is refreshing to hear I am not alone in that view point.

    Jeremy well said my friend, well said.
  • PandaWood · 8 months ago
    Thank you for talking to someone with a sense reality this time. Hail Jeremy.
  • Dave · 7 months ago
    Have you done enough navel gazing already? This is not advocacy but plain drivel. All of this self-introspective, self-mastabatory crap needs to stop.

    Are you planning to produce podcasts about Alt.Net products instead of just about Alt.Net again?

    How about a series of shows on the SOLID principles, with a good five minute introduction of the principle of the week and then a real discussion of Alt.Net products that apply well in this space along with WHY.

    I think that the WHY part will be the hardest for you guys -- you will need to put yourself into a newbies shoes and really explain why things would be better instead of the 'pat on the back', 'wink-wink, nudge-nudge' club you seem to be right now. In most of the podcasts you skip over defining anything that may be new to a newbie and love your acronymns -- eg IoA, CI server, etc.
  • Mike Moore · 7 months ago
    Hi Dave, thanks for your comment. To be fair, we've gotten 18 episodes in before addressing the "What is Alt.NET?" question, even though this is a hotly discussed topic and generally the very first thing newcomers ask. This was intentional. I decided the best way to explain what Alt.NET is was to show it, and that's what we've tried to do.

    I also tried to make each episode accessible to newcomers while still remaining entertaining for those familiar with the subject at hand. This isn't always easy. If you have a better way then perhaps you should contact James about hosting a few episodes instead of sounding like a troll.
  • Dave · 7 months ago
    >> To be fair, we've gotten 18 episodes in before addressing the "What is Alt.NET?" question

    You got only 16 episodes in before the two wankers.

    Perhaps I do sound like a troll but this is honest feedback. I do question the wisdom of publishing these two self absorbed podcasts that had basically nothing to offer outside of the alt.net clique. If I wanted to stay out of alt.net forever, I could have my CTO listen to these two podcasts...
  • Wayne Molina · 7 months ago
    IMO the whole problem with Alt.net is that there are far too many "Morts" out there who LIKE the whole RAD, wizard-driven, drag-and-drop databinding stuff from Microsoft. Remember, the key goal is to deliver working software; all this talk of craftmanship is very nice, but in the end it doesn't matter to the majority of developers and businesspeople.. all they care about is getting their stuff done.

    That said I'm greatly interested in Alt.net despite being what amounts to entry-level/junior-level as far as being a programmer, and all of this stuff greatly intrigues me, I just don't think that it should be an evangelical movement.

    I wrote more of this on my blog: http://blog.waynemolina.com
  • Bailey · 4 months ago
    Hi guys,
    At the end of the podcast Jeremy mentioned switching away from XP. I'm hearing it as "con von", but I can't find any information on it. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks.
  • nkohari · 4 months ago
    @Bailey: I think you mean "kanban" ... it's a lightweight process based on ideas from the Toyota Production System. There are some good resources on the web about its application to software. And, if you want an example of a kanban board, you can check out Zen, which is our web-based project management system geared around kanban. </shameless_plug> :)